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Shouldn't this page be at Saigon, per the article naming conventions? Very few travelers call it HCM City, and even official signs and train schedules say "Saigon". I think Saigon is the most common English name for this place. --Evan 16:30, 10 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Yeah, even though (as I recall) I'm the one who started this page as HCM, I think we should just go with Saigon.

Technically, HCM and Saigon are a bit different -- HCM is a municipality which encompasses the district of Saigon. So we could have an HCM article and a Saigon article under it, but I don't think that's necessary. -- Paul Richter 20:10, 10 Aug 2004 (EDT)

I'll cast a dissenting vote here: HCMC is the official name of the city and we should respect that in the title. In the content Saigon can also be used where applicable. Jpatokal 21:55, 10 Aug 2004 (EDT)

"Official" doesn't factor. We use the most common English name for article titles, not the official name. See Wikitravel talk:article naming conventions for discussions about this. --Evan 02:28, 11 Aug 2004 (EDT)

I'm maybe a bit paranoid and over-reacting but I think because the America and some scum bags(note, only SOME, not all) in California don't like the name Ho Chi Minh City (that's why after 30 years IATA code is still "SGN" instead of "HCM"). And to Evan, on the URL to naming convention "This version of Wikitravel is in English (but see language versions of Wikitravel), so article names should be in English. If a place doesn't have a name originally in English.." and the official name of the place right NOW is Ho Chi Minh City. Also HCMC beat Saigon on my Google News test (majority of saigon news is miss saigon, beer saigon, or "US Embassy in Saigon, South Vietnam, at 4 am April 30, 1975. It’s the holiday season"..,etc , not the place itself. And also majority if not ALL news services such as CBC, BBC, AP,etc use the word Ho Chi Minh City, not Saigon.

I'd be interested to see some numbers on HCM City being the most common English name for the city. Also, please, don't bandy about the "official" name; it doesn't factor at all. See why Wikitravel doesn't use official names for details. --Evan 22:09, 11 Dec 2004 (EST)

Update: I did a search on Google News got 1200+ hits for "Ho Chi Minh City", about 1000+ for Saigon (factoring out "Miss Saigon", "Beer Saigon", and "Little Saigon"). Most of the other hits talked about the "fall of Saigon", which would be historically accurate. Anyways, I think that's definitely good enough to leave this article here -- but we should make sure to have a redirect. --Evan 22:15, 11 Dec 2004 (EST)

Weasel coffee

I just googled and found some pages that say that the coffee fruit is eaten by weasels, not rodents. In Indonesia they have kopi luwak, which is passed through civets. Civets and weasels are both carnivores, not rodents. -phma 20:10, 10 Sep 2004 (EDT)