Talk:Macedonia (Republic) Travel Guide
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For future reference the Wikitravel:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.
Do we really need all this "Former Yugoslav" stuff? --Jiang
- No. --Evan 20:05, 4 Dec 2003 (PST)
- Actually, I take that back. I'm not sufficiently versed in the topic to say one way or the other, so I'm gonna back out. --Evan 20:07, 4 Dec 2003 (PST)
- It's not absolutely necessary, but then we are going to have to disambiguate it from the Greek and Bulgarian regions of the same name. Maybe Macedonia (country), Macedonia (Greek region), Macedonia (Bulgarian region)? DhDh 22:40, 4 Dec 2003 (PST)
There was an extended debate on this at en:Talk:Republic of Macedonia. I think most people visiting the FYROM would refer to it as just "Macedonia" (like how the western media does it). Problem is, the Greeks find this offensive. Some travel guides also leave out FYRO [1], some don't [2][3]. Maybe Dhum Dhum's proposal will do...but I think Macedonia (Greece) and Macedonia (Bulgaria) will be better. --Jiang 01:19, 5 Dec 2003 (PST)
- I think we should include FYRO - it's the right name of the country, it's the one most people use, and it sounds a lot better than having Macedonia (country). Macedonia by itself just sounds ambiguous, especially since people do travel to the Greek region Macedonia (and perhaps the Bulgarian one). -- Ronline, 5 Dec 2003
It's right only to "please" Greece. Most people, the media included, use "Macedonia" by itself. FYROM is just used by governments for political reasons. It can be made clear in the article that there are other regions of Macedonia. --Jiang 22:40, 10 Jun 2004 (EDT)
- I'd like to bring this back up and propose moving this to "Macedonia", or at least "Republic of Macedonia" (as in Wikipedia). Jpatokal 01:57, 7 Mar 2005 (EST)
- For what it's worth, since this was last discussed some 20 countries including the US have switched their official recognition to "Rep of Mac", without the FY bit. Jpatokal 02:01, 7 Mar 2005 (EST)
- 106 countries now call a spade a spade, so I think it's time for Wikitravel to follow. Macedonia still redirects straight into Rep of Mac, but I'd be fine with turning it into a disamb page once somebody gets around to writing Macedonia (Greece). Jpatokal 10:25, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)
Setting aside the politics of it (which really aren't particularly relevant), the current set-up doesn't match Wikitravel disambiguation standards. We have two places with the same name, and neither is so "much much more famous" than the other to get dibs on that name. Macedonia should be a disambig page (not a redirect), with Republic of Macedonia and Macedonia (Greece) listed as two Places Known As Macedonia. - Todd VerBeek 23:55, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
Administrative districts
It would appear that each and every village of a certain size is listed in the 130 or so administrative districts. Wouldn't it make sense to just list 7 or so major destinations like we do for every other country? -- Mark 09:41, 22 Sep 2004 (EDT)
- Yes (especially since the FYROM isn't exactly a top destination anyway). The districts are just copied from the CIA World Factbook. Jpatokal 09:55, 22 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Clean up
Looking at this article it appears it needs a lot of clean up and there is information here that belongs in the city aritcles. I am going to take a shot at it. If I remove anything that someone wants back, please put it back. -- Xltel 10:15, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)
Name Macedonia (Republic)
I changed this article's name to Macedonia (Republic), and moved to merged edits from Macedonia and Republic of Macedonia. I believe the (Republic) portion better follows the Wikitravel:Article naming conventions. Macedonia can now become a disambiguation page. -- Huttite 08:08, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
- Creating a disambig page at Macedonia was definitely the right approach. The two closest precedents for how to rename this are Republic of Ireland and Georgia (country), using either the common semiformal name or a generic disambiguator indicating its level on our hierarchy (not form of government). Due to "The Former Yugoslav..." nomenclature, I suspect that "Republic of Macedonia" is common enough usage to work as the article name, but I don't have a strong preference; whichever version we don't use should be a redirect to the other. -Todd VerBeek 08:53, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
