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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Ha! 3 Warsaw 4 Images 5 Mapki 6 Warsaw Districts 7 Votes for deletion 8 Far-right 9 Image:Varssavi warsaw eu.jpg

Welcome

Hello CandleWithHare!

Nice job with Poland! It looks like you have a good understanding of how Wikis work, but here's the standard welcome anyhow:

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Thanks again, and hopefully we'll see more! -- Ryan 15:40, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

You're rewrite on Poland looks fine, but I only did a quick scan. Please look over the links above, because they provide the basic guidelines for new users. Welcome to the team and thanks! If you have any questions feel free to ask me or anyone else, but if you ask me a question I'll have to respond later tonight. Cheers! -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:41, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

Ha!

Ha! Just had to say that's one of the best User Names I've ever seen. And I'm Old! OldPine 18:19, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Warsaw

Hi, Do you live in Warsaw? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 12:55, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

The reason I asked is because I was hoping that you would want to become a Docent for Warsaw, which means if someone has a question about Warsaw they can ask you. I'm currently listed as a docent on Warsaw, but It's been a year since I was last in Warsaw so I think you'd make a great docent, because you know about what's new in Warsaw. Does becoming a docent sound appealing to you? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:22, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Images

I know you're somewhat new here, but any future images you upload would you please make sure to upload them to Wikitravel Shared? It's the same thing as Wikimedia Commons and allows all of the language versions of Wikitravel use the images, not just the English version. To use Wikitravel Shared you'll need an sign up for an account over there. To get back to the English Wikitravel after using Wikitravel Shared just type in www.wikitravel.org, which will take you back to the English version. Also, make sure all images you upload are yours and they are licensed under the CC-by-SA 1.0 license or public domain. Thanks. -- Sapphire 14:04, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Hmm. So you're password on Shared isn't the same password you use on EN? -- Sapphire 14:23, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Mapki

Jasne że bym się zgodził. Rozumiem że chodzi o GFDL, którego Wikitravel nie akceptuje? W takim razie może cc-by? Halibutt 14:30, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

I hereby agree to issue all the maps of Poland I authored and uploaded to English wikipedia or wikimedia commons under the cc-by-sa license, or (if that is not legally possible) - under a double GFDL and cc-by-sa license.

Teraz wystarczy że dodasz ten link :)

Wgrać nie wgram - przynajmniej nie dzisiaj - ale jeśli podasz mi mejla, myślę że mógłbym podesłać Ci nieco poprawione wersje nad którymi kiedyś pracowałem. Wyczyszczone itd. Halibutt 14:59, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

• Candle, did you want to use Halibutt's Image:Polska kontur bialy.png? He gave me permission to use that image under the CC-by-SA 1.0 license several weeks ago so we can use that too. All you have to do is place a little red dot for the city you want to show on the map. The above image is on Shared so if you download it upload it on EN and I'll upload it on shared until Evan gives you your password. -- Sapphire 15:03, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

No, it's about the maps of districts in Warsaw. The other part of the discussion is here. CandleWithHare 15:09, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Wow! You're turning out to be an OldPine, a person who just starts working on Wikitravel and does an amazing amount of work! Thanks! -- Sapphire 15:13, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Sapphire, tell me, would it be difficult for you to move some images from en to shared? What I mean is: Halibutt has just permitted me to use his maps and will mail me the updated versions of them. I'd then u/l the maps to en because I only have access there and sb (probably you) would need to move them to shared then.

Is it sane? If it sounds like a lot of work to you, forget it. CandleWithHare 15:25, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry, forget it, I've just discovered the password reminder apparently works (although it outputs an error). CandleWithHare 15:28, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Wybacz, ale za nic nie rozumiem jaki jest Twój adres. Nie wiem co jest co. A wystarczy że w moim profilu, po lewej stronie, klikniesz "email this user" :) i wyślesz mi swój adres mejlem. Halibutt 15:40, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Poszło :) CandleWithHare 15:48, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Warsaw Districts

Hi. I see you've done some good work on the Warsaw article. I see that you have created quite a few districts as well. In Wikitravel we don't usually necessarily use the official districts, but ones that are useful to the traveller. In this case, there may be a few too many, but you do seem to have put a reasonable amount of information in each one. However, it looks like you are planning to add some more districts (itinaries): Old Town - New Town - Royal Road - Contemporary Center - Jewish Quarter. Before you create these, it is probably worth thinking about adding the information within the existing district articles, or just creating a combined Warsaw/Walking Tours page. Thanks for all your contributions so far. -- DanielC 14:58, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks. I think that having an article for each of the «official» districts has many advantages and the confusion can be avoided with properly-written Districts and Orientation sections. I hope that the amount of content I have written so far for each district justifies separate district articles (each district now has more content than there was for all the districts combined before I came, plus the Warsaw page has grown a little).

I am not planning to create any further, «artificial» districts, what I'm trying to do now is to list and group all the sights, which could then be described and turned into an itinerary. The work is at a quite early stage and you can see it at User:CandleWithHare/Warsaw. I did not create the Warsaw/Old Town article, which I think should only be a redirect to some itinerary, but I replaced the minimal content that was around before, with a quite useful, although not strictly adhering to the project policy list of sights (which I then removed at User:Sapphire's request).

I think your idea of having all walks in one article is interesting, but I'm not sure if it isn't at odds with the Wikitravel policy (especially regarding the name you propose) - and I wouldn't like to be bashed again. Anyway, it all depends on how much content the final itinerary would have (in the long-term all the sights should be described, not only listed).

For now I'm not creating any more articles, I'll finish the list at User:CandleWithHare/Warsaw and then I will post a message at the Talk:Warsaw page asking what to do next. Thanks for your feedback.

CandleWithHare 16:41, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Votes for deletion

Hello once again! Thanks for your contributions to the project! In future, if you post a page onto Votes for Deletion, please add the vfd template to the page as it notifies anyone who looks at the page that it has been nominated for deletion. This encourages discussion on whether the page requires discussion. To add the vfd tag onto pages, just enter {{vfd}} at the top when editting. Tim 00:04, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

I'm sorry. Thanks for fixing this! CandleWithHare 09:27, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Regarding your comments on the vfd page. You're right that I sometimes make haste decisions in wanting to delete various articles, but people may have a change of heart and sometimes what I mean by deleting is to remove the content and place it somewhere more appropriate with a redirect or something similar. Hence, when I suggested deletion of Warsaw/Old Town I was not suggesting deleting the content, but, instead moving it to the appropriate district guide.

Please understand that no one was bashing you. I'm actually quite glad that you're working with us, becuase you've greatly improved our coverage of Warsaw. Remember, yesterday, when I asked what the deal with Warsaw/Old Town was and the ideas you told me about were great, in my opinion and I want to see how they develop.

The problem with the "artifical" districts is that no one knew what you were planning and I'm sure Tim hasn't seen your comments on my talk page about your plans for these "artifical" districts. The best way to avoid confusion and misunderstandings like the one I had earlier is to explain your thoughts and plans on the talk page for that particular district, itinerary, or article. If I had known your ideas earlier I certainly wouldn't have said '"Warsaw/Old Town" should be in "Warsaw/Srodmiescie" and unless someone convinces me otherwise I'll propose this for deletion.'

That also takes me back to your comments on the VFD page that "And I bet that if I created some another, possibly more useful redirection you would be the first to vote to delete it." That's wrong. While I possibly may do that sometimes we just need to be reminded that the traveller comes first, meaning if someone created the "Warsaw/Old Town" I may think That's wrong! It should be here, but I have to remind myself that not everyone has lived in Warsaw for at least two months and doesn't always know the things that I do. If I remember that then I would not vote against something useful. Please feel free to do what you need to do in order to create those itineraries, because I and possibly some other users may come along and ask "why" again, but you've proven yourself very capable and a great editor. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 10:16, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for writing this. Maybe it's just that I'm not too good at co-operative work. I shouldn't take for granted that people who are watching the changelog understand my intentions behind doing sth. And I think it's still the language barrier that keeps me from being as outspoken as I'd normally be. CandleWithHare 10:49, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Far-right

The current coalition isn't in any way "far-right". PiS is a centrist party that actually won the elections by presenting themselves as being to the left of (their would be ally) PO, LPR is best described as Catholic left combining social conservatism with leftist economic views and Samoobrona made it's name as a radical socialist revolutionary movement. Political issues are always a touchy subject (though I doubt if a guest from abroad is likely to go around and try to enter an argument about them) but writing "Poland is now governed by a coalition of right of center and populist parties" is simply an attempt to project your personal views and dislikes towards specific politicians. -- The preceding unsigned comment was made by an anonymous User:212.76.33.118 (talk)

Can we please take this discussion to Talk:Poland. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 12:48, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Image:Varssavi warsaw eu.jpg

I notice that you added the vfd template onto this image. Please could you also put a post in the Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion under the same heading as this and explain why you think this should be deleted. Thanks in advance. Tim 17:11, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry, ignore that - I just noticed it's discussion page. Tim 17:14, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

I'm moving them to shared, it'll be done in 5 min. CandleWithHare 17:16, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Okay! Tim 17:18, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

It's listed now. CandleWithHare 17:59, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

I uploaded the PLAC.jpg image again and it can now be found out Image:Palace of Culture and Science.jpg. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:43, 20 August 2006 (EDT)