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Contents 1 Looking for something? 2 External Links 3 Links for Vienna & Bratislava 4 Deletion 5 PachaqPuriq 6 List length 7 Reverts for Adventure Smith Explorations 8 Thanks 9 cairo page 10 Why? 11 Unsigned 12 Discount airlines in Europe

Looking for something?

I have moved old text from here to an archive page. —The preceding comment was added by Jonboy (talk • contribs) 20:23, 29 March 2006 (EST).

External Links

Hi...I don't understand why when i created a new link telluride luxury rentals you are taking it out and just leaving it bold...i also do not like the footnote i think it is more clear and simple to have Go To Website instead of a footnote that no one knows what it is until they click on it...please advise...thanks! —The preceding comment was added by Telluride (talk • contribs) 15:45, 10 May 2006 (EST).

Take a look at Wikitravel:External_links#Links_in_listings to see how we do things. If you disagree, please bring up your objection on that article's talk page -- you'll find plenty of people to discuss that with you. Also, take a look at Wikitravel:What_is_an_article? to see why I unlinked "Telluride Rentals". It's not an article, so therefore shouldn't have a wikilink. -- Jonboy 15:49, 10 May 2006 (EDT)

Hey.. I just modified a link to make it actually linkable, and y'all reverted the change and turned it into a footnote style link.. at first I was puzzled until I read your style guide on external links.. perhaps change this page to reflect your footnote style suggestions

http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Wiki_markup

As this is the model I followed to make the external link.. —The preceding comment was added by 200.24.126.170 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 31 March 2006 (EST).

Hi! Thanks for your contributions. You may want to create a user account to make things easier for yourself (and those who want to communicate with you). Wikitravel:External_links contains our external links policy. Wikitravel:Wiki markup is more of a "how to" than a "what to do" page. But if you think it should include information on the preferred format, please bring that up on its talk page. Jonboy 16:19, 31 March 2006 (EST)

Links for Vienna & Bratislava

Hi Jonboy, I see you've removed my links to Wikipedia from the articles about Vienna and Bratislava. Is it because they don't link to a primary source? If I link directly to archaeological park's website, would it be OK? VladoD 05:55, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Yes, exactly! We're looking for links to the sites themselves, not to Wikipedia (other than the standard Wikipedia link per article). -- Jonboy 09:12, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

OK, I've got one more question about licensing. I would like to create a new Wikitravel article about this archaeological park. However, I would like to use large parts of the article at Wikipedia. I know it is not possible in general, but the article at Wikipedia is my own work. Is it in this case possible to use the material from Wikipedia? VladoD 11:18, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Yes! As the author, you can decide to "dual-license" your content. Just be careful to use your content, and not a later version that somebody else has added to. Also, please take a look at Wikitravel:What is an article? to see if the park qualifies, in particular the "can you sleep there?" test. If it doesn't, your contributions would still be welcome at the page belonging to the city nearest the park (the one visitors would stay at.) -- Jonboy 11:24, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for your help :-) VladoD 11:46, 19 April 2006 (EDT)

Deletion

Man, you're burning up that "delete" tab! Thanks for taking care of the cruft in VFD. --Evan 15:49, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

PachaqPuriq

My, you were quick, I was just editing a welcome message for User:PachaqPuriq when you got in there first! -- DanielC 17:16, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

List length

Um, unless I'm missing something, it isn't exactly Wikitravel "policy" that lists not exceed 9 items; it's merely one of those style things, as well as good practice just because of the human tendency to get confused if dealing with lots of things at once. However, if you check the manual of style, I think you'll find that it contains lists a lot longer than that, as do many of the other project pages. Sometimes long lists just can't be avoided without giving something inappropriately short shrift. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:04, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

My reason for being picky about referring to a "policy" of longer lists is that newcomers have a tendency to view pronouncements like this as oracular, particularly when they're coming from an admin or other highly active contributor. I think the actual "policy" is: get the information on there somewhere, and then edits will gradually get it into the appropriate configuration. In the case of cities, that's probably best done via setting up some (sub)regions, so that one big glob of real estate with 20 cities can become 3 regions with 5 or 6, plus the "major" city or two in that big glob. Once that's done, purging the original list becomes reasonable. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 08:55, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

Reverts for Adventure Smith Explorations

Hi Jonboy - you reverted all of the edits of Special:Contributions/71.128.152.3, apparently someone who works for Adventure Smith Explorations, and gave no reason for it. Aside from bad formatting I didn't see anything wrong with them - they were probably done for advertising, but it still seems like good info and doesn't violate any policy that I'm aware of. Can you either un-revert those changes or include a message on the talk pages as to why they were done? Thanks! -- Ryan 12:03, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

Good call. I saw essentially the same text going into a bunch of articles and alarm bells went off in my head. I should have looked at the web site first. (I don't think we want everyone who offers a tour to a particular country to stick info in, but specialist tour guides like this make sense.) I think I've reverted all of my edits (except one where they de-MoS'ed an existing link). -- Jonboy 12:16, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

No problem - even reverting their changes might have been OK, but without any explanation it confused me and I'm sure would confuse the editor who was adding that information. My fear is that simply reverting a change without explanation causes an otherwise well-intentioned user not to contribute in the future, and the edits made by this company do seem to have added useful information for travelers to each of the destinations edited. -- Ryan 12:22, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, it's tricky. The rollback button takes a couple of seconds. I just saw someone add their tour company info 3 times to Bhutan...all in the wrong place. It took me 5-10 minutes to fix it correctly. I'm not sure the trade-off is between not explaining a revert of information that might be helpful and getting sucked into a good bit of research and editing to incorporate that info properly. -- Jonboy 13:04, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks

... for noting that vandalism on my user page. That was a grave insult. I'd appreciate it if you can warn/block that user. Doesn't seem like such a user will be of great use. Daniel575 2 May 2006

Wikitravel prides itself on not blocking users or IP addresses. I am quite surprised myself, but it seems to work. In particular, that IP address hasn't made any changes since then. I'll add your user page to my watch list just in case, but we seem to do a good job of spotting vandals. (Any edit to a user page that isn't by that user draws my suspicion.) -- Jonboy 16:56, 2 May 2006 (EDT)

Thank so much for taking the trouble guiding me at wikitravel. As I am the owner of travel touch which is a Proper Web and cellular Destination guide I can contribute more then 12,000 attractions. Sleep. Eat, taxies and embassies' and more . I am giving you full permission to use Travel touch database only for credit. If you do not like my contribution- fine. If you need legal send me email. I do it for my own soul and not for any money

Sam Yaniv 

—The preceding comment was added by Samyaniv (talk • contribs) .

At the bottom of each page you can see "Based on work by...", which is our mechanism for giving credit. You can use your user page to point people back to your web site. If you want to link to your web site directly from the text of articles, unfortuantely, that is against wikitravel policies. -- Jonboy 16:26, 27 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you, I didn't find anything like this in wikitravel policies. can you point me to? should i contact the mangment? please advice —The preceding comment was added by Samyaniv (talk • contribs) .

Take a look at Wikitravel:External_links to see our policy against linking to non-primary sources in the text of the article. If you'd like to discuss these sorts of things with a more general audience (including other admins and Wikitravel's founders), I suggest Wikitravel:Travellers' pub. -- Jonboy 18:14, 27 August 2006 (EDT)

cairo page

hi why did u deleted the links i have added to cairo page its a nice site i use it myself it has many things ,thanks and best regards —The preceding comment was added by Tak2 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 27 May 2006 (EDT).

I appreciate your contributions to Cairo, but please take a look at Wikitravel:External_links for our external links policy. -- Jonboy 15:34, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

Why?

Why should Bus travel in Israel be forbidden, if Rail travel in North America, Rail travel in Europe and Discount airlines in Europe are allowed???? I am going nuts here. If my article is deleted -- an article which has cost me hours of work -- while these other articles ARE permitted, this is simply antisemitic discrimination. Why is my article about Israel forbidden, while these other articles are allowed??? Daniel575 30 May 2006

If you take a look at those articles you'll noticed that they don't actually list every rail line in North America or every flighpath in Europe. It's the content, not the place. And if you take a look at the Wikitravel:Deletion log you'll see that we delete a lot of stuff-- including, recently New South Wales by rail, Eurail pass, Maine outlet shopping, and several dozen other travel topics. Really, it's not just you! (heck, two of my travel topics were deleted too !) Majnoona 00:20, 30 May 2006 (EDT)

For the record, I had nothing to do with the vfd. I don't have much to add, since I'm ambivalent about the whole way we treat travel topics. -- Jonboy 21:27, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

Unsigned

I love it. This was a good idea, and I've been using it all over the place. Thanks! --Evan 17:54, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

Discount airlines in Europe

Hi - I restored the Discount airlines in Europe link to Europe#Get in as it seemed useful and relevant to me and I didn't see an obvious reason for the revert. If I've missed something then please revert my change. -- Ryan 14:05, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

My reasoning was that we have a way to include "relevant and useful" links -- the {{related}} template. I don't see a reason to include it both places. Thoughts? -- Jonboy 14:20, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

My bad, didn't see it over there. It would be nice if we had some way of making the "related", Wikipedia, Dmoz and other links more prominent... -- Ryan 14:22, 3 August 2006 (EDT)