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Contents 1 Purpose of this page 2 Time Zones 3 Embassy and consulate 4 Internet Cafes and Wireless Access? 5 Guides? 6 Wine samples 7 Theatres and Performance Acts 8 Tour companies and Tour parties 9 Recommended / further reading / destination travel books and publications 10 Highway routes 11 Travel companies 12 Airlines and flights 13 ferries going through several islands? 14 Events 15 See vs Other destinations 16 Non-tourist churches 17 Hitchhiking 18 Selected trains 19 Where do these go? 20 Smoking 21 Drink/Local Beer 22 See vs Do 23 City Centres(sic) and Districts 24 Sites of interest as opposed to the city/region/etc. focus Wikitravel has so far 25 Casinos 26 National holidays under Do or Understand? 27 TMI on Airplane Routes

Purpose of this page

I was moving some questions out of the travellers' pub, and a lot of them were along the lines of, "Where do I put information X?" Some had been covered in the article templates, some hadn't. I realized that people more often are going to know some bit of info, and wonder where to put it, than have an empty article and wonder what should go in it. So I started this page.

The title is purposefully bad, because I couldn't think of a better one. Suggestions more than welcome (or just plunge forward and move the article). --Evan 15:21, 9 Feb 2004 (EST)

Time Zones

Moved from Wikitravel:travellers' pub by Evan

We should add a location's timezone into the "Quick Facts" table; also if someone feels so inclined a timezone world map might be a good addition (if none exists already). --Nils 12:16 Jan 29th, 2004

It isn't a map, but there is a time zones page. -phma 07:04, 29 Jan 2004 (EST)

Embassy and consulate

Moved from Wikitravel:travellers' pub by Evan

Hi. sorry for my poor English, but I wanted to know if you already debated on the interest of listing embassies or consulates that can be found in towns like Paris or Strasbourg for example. I think it would be an interressant information for travellers that have problems with justice or so. [Was it clear ? ] --Pontauxchats 04:53, 30 Jan 2004 (EST)

I wonder if this would go under, say, Cope. --Evan 15:27, 1 Feb 2004 (EST)

Internet Cafes and Wireless Access?

Do we put this under the "contact" information? Or perhaps under "do"? --Anca

Yep, that's "Contact". I'm glad this page is becoming useful! --Evan 22:56, 23 Feb 2004 (EST)

Guides?

Very useful page! What about:

• entertainment guides (i.e. what you find in newspapers, street papers)
• gig guides
• visitor information centers

Nurg 17:36, 6 Mar 2004 (EST)

The first two are terrible examples, in that we don't have a good place to put them. I think they should go in the "Understand" section. As for visitor info centers, that'd be Understand, too.

It may be good to break the first ones out. Maybe a "Read" section of the guides? --Evan 18:12, 10 Mar 2004 (EST)

Wine samples

Drink or Do? I'd suggest drink. Opinions? -- Nils 05:55, 27 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Drink is really for nightlife, I think. I'd put wine tasting tours under Do, and the wineries themselves under Buy. Spiv 10:59, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Theatres and Performance Acts

This may be a bit late to fix but I notice that Theatres and Stadiums are suggested to go under the Do section.

What is the reason for that?

My initial reaction is that Live Perfomance Acts should go under the See section since these activities generally involve observing the performance and audience participation is generally limited to applause. Are you suggesting that applause implies you are Doing the show rather than Seeing it? -- Huttite 02:50, 24 Jan 2005 (EST)

Tour companies and Tour parties

Some companies organise tours of a country, arranging things like hotels, transport, itineries, food and even entertainment. They also provide guides/chaperones and/or translators to assist the traveler. Sometimes they have a theme; like a chef taking a tour party to experience the authentic cusine; famous sports people taking a party to a series of sports events. I think these could best go in the Get around section, but does anyone have a better idea? -- Huttite 03:36, 23 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Recommended / further reading / destination travel books and publications

OK, so I'm not sure whether this has been suggested / discussed previously, BUT, what about adding an additional section to destination articles (towards the end, near External links) in which contributors could list books and publications relevant to understanding / appreciating a destination, with the intention of making a traveller's experience of a city all the richer? Note: not travel guides, but rather quality titles that explore the history, culture and atmosphere of a country or city, or are representative of its literary heritage (Naguib Mahfouz in Cairo, for example....) This could even be extended to music typical of a destination.... What do others think? Pjamescowie 14:31, 6 Nov 2004 (EST)

I like the idea, but I might be the wrong person to ask, as I can't even seem to muster the abhorance for "other guides" which my collegues here mostly seem to share. As for my own writing I've sometimes used references to the CD collection behind a given bar to try to impart something to the reader about the atmosphere there. It feels very right to me to give travellers a musical context for the places we tell them about. As my art-history professor liked to say, history, art-history, and anthropology all provide contexts for understanding the other. So I think by all means yes. -- Mark 14:45, 6 Nov 2004 (EST)

I love the idea. What about Read? Or a sub-section of Understand? --Evan 23:33, 6 Nov 2004 (EST)

Glad you both like the idea.... Read would be good, but wouldn't allow for the musical side of things.... Maybe we could have Listen as well? (though this might be getting slightly too sectionalised...!) A sub-section(s) of Understand could work, for sure, though I had visualised a section at the end of an article, alonsgide the External links.... This could be just my preconception, however, and is probably influenced by Wikipedia practice.... We can afford to be different! Any more thoughts? Pjamescowie 03:28, 7 Nov 2004 (EST)

I'd be inclined to not make it a entire section up there with Understand, Sleep, Do, etc. Somehow, those just seem more fundamental to what I want to use wikitravel for than finding out about cultural research I could do. (It's useful yes, but not as useful as finding somewhere to sleep...)

My suggestion is to either make it a subsection of Understand or possibly rename External links to Other resources (or similar), and have External links, Read, Listen as part of that. -- Hypatia 08:06, 7 Nov 2004 (EST)

Yeah, I agree with Hypatia, surely the best thing is to to generalise "External Links". -- Lionfish 0:07 7 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Highway routes

Hi there! I'm a visitor from 'Pedia. Of course we have our usual arguments over what should and should not be included there. Now it happens that one of the areas of discussion, is articles about roads and turnpikes and the like. For instance, see [1] - WP has extensive documentation on the USA and Australian road networks, among others. According to some, this isn't particularly encyclopedic. According to others, it is verifiable and useful, thus should be listed somewhere.

I realize that this might be highly impractical and unfeasible, but... wouldn't that information be more at home in WikiTravel? The different licenses may be an issue, but this concerns a relatively large amount of articles written by a relatively low amount of users. Plus there's the fact that some of this material consists of lists of stubs, which I reckon would stand a greater chance of being expanded when included here rather than on 'pedia.

Just a thought for discussion. Wikipedia:User:Radiant, 23 Feb 2005

Radiant: we have a lot of highway info already in Wikitravel (like Gunbarrel Highway and Route 66). We treat highways like itineraries, usually. I think we might have different ways of thinking about highways, though: an encyclopedic view of a highway (date of construction, legal act that enabled its creation, name of contractor who laid the blacktop, notorious crimes that occurred on the road) might be different from the travel-guide view (best cities or campgrounds to stay in along the way, roadside attractions, places to stop to eat, etc.). --Evan 17:42, 23 Feb 2005 (EST)

Also, we probably wouldn't want to list all possible highways. Just the ones worth being an itenerary.

And as a side note, I love the Wikipedia encylopedic approach to highways. I can't beleive people complain about this, but every freaking album has an article, places and characters from pop fiction frequently get articles, and minor sports figures get articles. (I've being hitting the 'random page' button on wikipedia a lot lately. There's a lot of pollution in the encylopedia, and it's not caused by a few hundred well-organized road articles). -- Colin 18:17, 23 Feb 2005 (EST)

Travel companies

Would it be alright if I made a Greyhound, Amtrak, etc... article. I think anyone not knowing what Greyhound or Amtrak is would like an article about these companies so they can understand better. Sometimes I link to WikiPedia, but WikiPedia is more along the lines of straight history i.e. Established date, board members, CEO. I think there should be something like: routes, stations, programs, specials, type of trains.

-Andrew

So far, we've made a page each for kinds of industries, like Discount airlines in Europe. Maybe Bus travel in North America? --Evan 00:29, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)

How about we review airlines as we do restaurant and hotels: Food, Service, Drinks, Entertainment, Internet, Delays, etc.

We could make a "in the air" destination and have all airlines on that destination. Budget, medium, splurge would be economy, medium, and business class. Price is too complex, but I would like to know what airlines serve food on shorter (eg. European) flights, have individual TV's, serve snacks and chocolate, serve alcohol, icecream, etc -- elgaard 10:43, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Mm-mm. I'll have to agree with Evan on this one for a change, as this is a bit of a slippery slope -- there are a lot of travel companies out there and countless websites/fora devoted solely to, say, air travel; I frequent one myself. One page is clearly unworkable, and do we really want thousands? I'm not saying it's impossible, but it'd be a pretty big expansion of Wikitravel's mandate. Jpatokal 11:06, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Flyertalk seem to be more a forum discussing a lot of things: Restaurants, travel stories, bonus miles etc. Wikipedia can fit airlines on one page: [2]. We would need a few lines for each airline, but would not need to cover them all. Just like we do not cover every restaurant in Paris. I Think buses and trains should be covered in "get around" on country pages, although we could have a page with international trains. But it is not very meaningfull to cover airlines in country articles, Eg. I have traveled Denmark-Canada on SAS, Lufthansa, Air Canada, British Airways, LOT, Delta, and Czeck Air. Air France, Air Italia, and more is also an option. If we want to say that AirFoo serve awful food so you should bring a sandwich, it would a waste to put it in every "Get In" section on destinations that AirFoo is operating. -- elgaard 19:05, 7 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Airlines and flights

Is there any decision yet on WHERE to describe airlines and their most known lines? --DenisYurkin 11:03, 29 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I'd like to publish the following info on a couple of airlines and routes -- where can I stick it?

• type of plane for specific flight of specific airline
• comparison of planes condition within single airline for different destinations
• whether or not meals are served at specific flights of specific airline
• quality of on-board meals and service for different flights for specific airline
• number of seats in a row for specific plane type
• recommendations on which places to choose for specific plane type

Suggestions?

--DenisYurkin 13:45, 18 Oct 2005 (EDT)

This has been discussed before and goes a little beyond Wikitravel's current scope. There are currently some discussions on hooking up with a well-known air travel specialist site who are also setting up a wiki, so please hold off for now. Jpatokal 22:36, 18 Oct 2005 (EDT)

ferries going through several islands?

I'd like to share experience with a ferry going from Athens\Pireaus to Santorini. The issue is that the ferry goes ultimately to Paros island, and people will unlikely find it there when they read looking for ways to Santorini (and vice versa; same applies to 10 more islands on the way). What is the best place? --DenisYurkin 15:15, 18 Oct 2005 (EDT)

All of them. Every single island the ferry goes to should have a short note about it. Jpatokal 22:40, 18 Oct 2005 (EDT)

It doesn't look smart to duplicate detailed info on the same ship on page of every island. Of course I will link from all islands to the place it is detailed -- but what's that place? I will hardly print out page for Paros if I plan to go to Santorini -- but maybe will print Pireaus, and will think about printing Ships operating from Pireaus to Paros, if Santorini article suggest me to. Is it OK to create such a separate article? --DenisYurkin 05:45, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

I'm lost. What exactly is wrong with mentioning under the "By ship" heading of "Get in" on each article that a ferry starts in X (Pireaus?) place and goes to Y (Paros?) place, stopping in THIS (Santorini) place? Maybe even add a statement after that one saying that it had stopped at B place before THIS place and goes to C place afterwards.

I understand you might feel strange about repeating the initial statement each time, but if someone were interested in a specific island, its better to have the information right there. I've heard of instances where people more-or-less blindly printed an article, not realizing there was a link to another article and as such, did not have all of the information. -- Ilkirk 09:19, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

What level of detailed information are we talking about? I think a note in the "By boat" section of "Get in" saying that ferry company X gets you from Pireaus to island Y every N days, look for the Paros ferry, etc. Although I think it'd be a mistake to go into intimate detail of the boat ("bathrooms are here and here, best place to sleep is on the port aft deck, the food is OK if you eat the spanakopita but not the meat etc. etc. etc."), but a one- or two-sentence gloss is probably reasonable ("A clean, modern boat with lots of space that makes most of its stops on schedule"). --Evan 10:58, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

I've done it this way: common info placed in Cyclades (which seems to contain all the islands involved), while some specifics added in Santorini, with a link to Cyclades for a full story. Does it look reasonable? Any corrections suggested? --DenisYurkin 14:40, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Events

Swept in from the Wikitravel:Travellers' pub:

I was working on an entry that involved annual events for a particular city. I wasn't sure if they should go under See or Do since events often fall under both.

I would like to propose adding Event section to the templates, especially for cities.

Comments? Epolk 17:22, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Where you can stick it decrees that festivals go under Do. I'm not too sure why, but it's the de facto standard already... I would not be averse to adding a "Events" subsection under Do though, and you can do this on an ad hoc basis already. Jpatokal 09:33, 5 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I recently added a bunch of events to the Basel page (subheading under Do), and I was thinking that it would be nice if there were some guidelines on how to list events, in terms of formatting. Dates, locations, a descriptive blurb, etc. --kenliu

See vs Other destinations

• On the regional template, we have both 'see' and 'other destinations' sections. What is the difference regarding entries? For example, other destinations implies somewhere outside the listed cities, but if there is a major site of interest in that region that it is not in a city nor big enough to require its own page, should it be placed under 'see' or 'other destinations'? The article on Tibet offers an example this problem. I'd appreciate some input from others. Thanks. WindHorse 20 Jan 06

No need for a reply. I've seen how it is done on another page: Listings under 'Other destinations' should actually be large enough for their own pages.

Non-tourist churches

This article says that churches should go in the See section -- what about for churches that are not tourist sites, but places the traveler might want to worship...someone put effort into listed places of worship for Rochester_(New_York)...I assume this is of some interest to the observant (since this sort of thing is always in the hotel information books). If this were a big city, I might think Cope...suggestions? Move, or just delete? Jonboy 16:04, 6 March 2006 (EST)

Hitchhiking

Swept in from the Pub:

I think we should add a category for city exits and places were you can get out of a city easily under "get out" for citys (at least large citys). Also we should add hitchhiking to the "get around" in contry templates. Any other opinions on that?

I've been adding "By thumb" sections under "Get around" for countries and "Get in" for some cities. Jpatokal 02:37, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Selected trains

Swept in from the Pub:

So there's a new user (User:172.183.51.234) adding a bunch of scheduling info for trains in Europe (see Western Europe and talk page). I know there's been some talk in the past about how much detail in boat, plane, train schedules is useful to readers (and reasonable to maintain), but it's come up again. I think it has some place in actual city articles (ie "trains run every 2 hours" "last train leaves a midnight") but not so much on region or country pages and not so much the actual schedule in scheduling format. A general idea is going to be more accurate more often (think about sundays, holidays, etc etc) and travellers should always double check with the transportation company-- heck, I do even when I have schedules published by the company! Anyway, other opinions? Suggestions on what to do with the extensive contributions by User:172.183.51.234 ? Majnoona 08:58, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

• Agree this is an eye-sore and not very helpful. I'd vote delete.

• The contributions should be deleted, in my opinion. While they may have some use now, unless there is sufficient effort they will fall quickly out of data and then be worse than useless. I pointer to primary sources where one can obtain up-to-date schedules and routes would be more useful. -- Colin 13:49, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

• I only partly removed the selected trains sections. Does anyone think perhaps that it is useful for smaller towns which only have one or two trains that pass through? I'd like some input on that before I delete the sections from smaller cities. -- Colin 15:42, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

• I moved a lot of these contributions to the talk pages - did they get moved back onto the main article? I just logged in and haven't dug throught the recent changes. Obviously I don't believe they need to last in their current form for exactly the reasons you've pointed out Maj, but it would be nice if someone could translate them into paragraphs. I, for one, had a bit of time reading them to begin with - those are all city names, right? -- Ilkirk 23:42, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

Where do these go?

1. Bus tour 2. Hiking tour 3. Boat tour 4. Rafting tour 5. If a tour provides a pickup from an airport, does it go into "get in"?

OK, I'll bite: I think tours that are mostly adventure sports should go in "do", and those that are mostly transportational should go in "get around". And, yes, I think that if a tour gives you rides to/from the airport, it should be noted in "get in".

What do I win? B-) --Evan 20:58, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

A Grand Canyon. -- Colin 21:05, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Smoking

It's of interest both to many smokers and many non-smokers to know about both local and regional smoking laws and customs. Where can I smoke? Where can I go to get away from smoke? I'm thinking of adding relevant info to Australia and to its states, which have varying smoking laws (some are starting to ban smoking in licenced venues and restaurants altogether). Where can I stick it? Hypatia 01:54, 13 June 2006 (EDT)

Drink/Local Beer

Swept in from the Pub:

I'm a self-admitted beer nerd (and seeking help through ethanol therapy, thank you!) and like to try out local offerings. I recently wrote most of what's currently in San Marcos and added a "local beer" section under drink. I should probably get around to this for Houston and the like. Does anyone see a problem for me adding this to other pages (or have ideas for a better way to work the information in)? I'm not a wine person, though I know that Texas and California have some pretty decent local wines that the traveller might want to know about too, so I guess there could be a more general name for this section, but I can't think of a good one. Jordanmills 21:25, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

This seems to me like perfectly appropriate information to include under "Drink". I've including info about local beers and wines in this section on a few pages. One simple way to do that would be to include a bar-type listing for the brewery's pub or the vineyard's tasting room, if they have one. - Todd VerBeek 21:41, 23 April 2006 (EDT)

See vs Do

Swept in from the Pub:

Hey folks, is there any guideline to help figure out what is "See" and what is "Do"? Would a museum count as see or do? 70.51.81.178 20:40, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

Where you can stick it should help. SHC 20:47, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

Rule of thumb: If the main activity there consists of sitting in a vehicle/walking around and looking at things, it's a "See". (This includes all but the most fun museums.) If it includes more involvement than that and/or getting your heart rate up, it's a "Do". - Todd VerBeek 21:00, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

Thanks! Adina 22:18, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

The explanatory paragraphs of the article templates could be helpful too. Ricardo (Rmx) 22:51, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

City Centres(sic) and Districts

Swept in from the Pub:

I am interested in people's opinions on cities where the districts are really inner suburbs, with most of the sights concentrated in the centre and it doesn't seems productive to go all the way in creating districts. In this case, an anonymous user created Headingley and Chapel Allerton, which are part of Leeds. I moved these to discrict pages, but I don't feel we should move all the city centre info to a Leeds/City Centre page, as it seems happy enough where it is. Is this acceptable?, and could it be used in a few more cases where the main article could become the de-facto city centre article. -- DanielC 16:50, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

Hi Daniel, I think I responed to this in some of the Leeds 'burbs, but for the record: we only really want districts for huge cities such as Mexico City and New York (city). The other options are "neighborhoods" or stand-alone destinations for actual suburbs. I don't know Leeds well enough to say, but I'm pretty sure it's not Huge, and that folks think of Headingley et al as 'seperate' (ie the Get in sections all say "take a bus from Leeds" whereas I would not say "Take a bus from New York to get to Queens"). Hope this helps! Majnoona 10:47, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

Sites of interest as opposed to the city/region/etc. focus Wikitravel has so far

Swept in from the Pub:

A lot of the most interesting places to visit in China — for the "adventure tourist" at any rate — are, for historical reasons obvious to anybody who knows China's history, in way-the-Hell-out-of-the-way places nowhere near a city or town. Examples would include Longhu Mountain, home of one of the most important Taoist temples in China and White Deer Academy, the world's oldest university. (Other standalones which could at least plausibly be associated with nearby cities would include Shaolin Temple, Donglin Temple, Tiefo Temple, etc. but I think they'd still be better served as separate destinations rather than as simple entries in a city page.) I'm really not sure how I'd go about adding information on these kinds of places given the editorial policies in place and the templates provided. And yet I really want to actually document these out-of-the-way places which I've grown to love in my stay in China. Could anybody with some suggestions on how to do this drop a line on my user talk page? --Michael 06:49, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Plunge forward and write them up as small cities, which is the 'default' template for oddballs (cf. Panmunjeom, North Pole). Alternatively, if they're national parks (as eg. Longhushan seems to be), then the park template is also a good option. Jpatokal 02:15, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

Casinos

I've been sticking Casinos under "Drink," but is that where they should go or is there a better section for casinos? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:09, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

I've been using "Do" even though gambling is not exactly active. OldPine 13:12, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

I was debating if Drink or Do would be better because for the most part Casinos seem to be more nightlife activities, which would indicate "Drink", but it's also completely feasible that they should be under "Do." I'll wait for other comments before adding casinos to the page. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:17, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

I see your point, but my feel is that the preponderance of folks go to gamble with a small percentage going for nightlife. I do list the nightclubs under drink and the restaurants under eat. Agree on hearing more views. Always a good thing. OldPine 13:20, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

I'd cast my vote for "Do" — gambling most definitely is something you do by yourself, as opposed to just sitting around watching. Jpatokal 19:08, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

National holidays under Do or Understand?

The current guideline says that "holiday (national)" belongs in "the Do section of the Country page", but nearly every country article (or at least those I've touched!) puts them under a "Holidays" subsection in "Understand" instead. To me this makes perfect sense, because then it's next to "Climate" and they're both important things to consider when planning a trip. Should the guideline be changed? Jpatokal 18:22, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

Absolutely. --Ricardo (Rmx) 19:31, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

Yes. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:42, 7 September 2006 (EDT)

TMI on Airplane Routes

Swept in from the Pub:

User:172.158.93.238 has added large tables of airline connections to a bunch of articles (for example Abbotsford). I think they are too much detail, and should be deleted. But I'd like a second opinion first -- Colin 16:18, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Seconded. It appears to be User:172.177.249.236 popping up again. Evan and I tried to talk to him/her about it to no avail. Let the reverts begin. -- Jonboy 18:21, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Oh good, it's already been discussed. -- Colin 18:25, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

I've been reverting this for a couple days and started a discussion for him to see on the article he repeatedly added the tables to - Alesund. - Sapphire

The IP address for this user changes spontaneously so we have to vigilant. Today (June 29) his IP is - 172.182.3.234. (This has since changed multiple times.) -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:47, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

TMI? WTF is that? C'mon, it's not even in the jargon. OldPine 06:57, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

TMI = Too much information. Have you seen these tables? He even lists what kind of aircraft someone flies on if they go with a specific airline. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 07:09, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Ah, I see. If I were NewPine I might have got that. No, I haven't peeked. I haven't moved into cop phase yet, but I truly appreciate how the admins are on top of things like that. OldPine 10:06, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

I agree that the info here is excessive; I wonder if there's a way we can make space for this information. I think there is a case for saying that it's another way of seeing travel, and maybe we could make a new article category for precise bus, train, and air schedules. but I could also buy the idea that they're pretty hard to keep up to date. --Evan 09:53, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Some of this is useful (e.g. savvy travelers like to avoid certain aircraft for safety/comfort reasons), but with the possible exception of a certain Israeli bus line, most carriers do a pretty good job of keeping this information accessible and up to date on their own sites/publications. Let the primary sources handle that. - Todd VerBeek 10:13, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

I refuse to fly on Boeing jets and do research the aircraft I will be flying on, but for Wikitravel I just don't think the information is relevant, because so many airlines are changing their routes selling off older jets for newer ones that are cheaper to maintain and use less fuel to prevent bankruptcy. I like listing the airport that serves a city then provide information about the airlines have big operations at the airport. I.e. If someone wants to use the Philadelphia airport I'd mention that U.S. Air has its hub there, but I wouldn't bother listing that U.S. Air or KLM have a single gate that they use at the CVG airport in Cincinnati. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 12:34, 29 June 2006 (EDT)